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		<title>By: Lying in the Name of Jesus &#124; David J Dunn</title>
		<link>http://www.davidjdunn.com/2012/06/19/goodbye-fr-jacobse/#comment-1372</link>
		<dc:creator>Lying in the Name of Jesus &#124; David J Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the blog. I have no problem criticizing intellectual arguments people make, but I try to avoid personal squabbles. That said, the writer quoted me in a way that made me wonder why some feel it is necessary to lie [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the blog. I have no problem criticizing intellectual arguments people make, but I try to avoid personal squabbles. That said, the writer quoted me in a way that made me wonder why some feel it is necessary to lie [...]</p>
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		<title>By: davidjdunn</title>
		<link>http://www.davidjdunn.com/2012/06/19/goodbye-fr-jacobse/#comment-366</link>
		<dc:creator>davidjdunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 05:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t follow the metaphor. Like I said, my point was not to analyze the arguments. I did not pay much attention to it. I only noted and selected comments that seemed harsh or polemical. I suppose whether or how provocative it was is a matter of opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t follow the metaphor. Like I said, my point was not to analyze the arguments. I did not pay much attention to it. I only noted and selected comments that seemed harsh or polemical. I suppose whether or how provocative it was is a matter of opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Stankovich</title>
		<link>http://www.davidjdunn.com/2012/06/19/goodbye-fr-jacobse/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Stankovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once I stopped laughing - not at you, Dr. Dunn! - I thought, &quot;Who&#039;s hornet&#039;s nest was stirred?&quot; and as by training I am &quot;psychodynamic&quot; in approach, I likewise thought, &quot;could this just be about Fr. Jacobse?&quot;

My first post on AOI was to take great exception to the promotion of a psychiatrist&#039;s opinion of homosexuality relying solely on the authority of her occupation. As always, I proffered a careful, reasoned, and &quot;evidenced-based&quot; comment. First feedback: &quot;Your attempt to discredit Dr. So-and-so fails.&quot; WHAT? I don&#039;t even know the woman! &quot;She&#039;s an Orthodox Christian, and by saying she lied..&quot; Wait, I didn&#039;t say she lied! &quot;We know where this is leading, the normalization of homosexuality in the Church.&quot; But I&#039;m talking about the integrity of science! Sound familiar? Suddenly, every reply I&#039;m reading assumes the droning voice of Arlen Specter &quot;examining&quot; Anita Hill, or any prosecutor, exculpatory DNA evidence in hand, who continues to insist, &quot;This was a good case and I am not convinced of their innocence.&quot; 

I&#039;ll put coin - that would be real money - that you have misinterpreted what went on here. My interpretation of the key elements:

Orthodox Christian: This can only be called as it comes over the plate because it is potentially &quot;championable.&quot; In your case, however, lacks &quot;conservative&quot; creds and uses the word &quot;gay&quot; in non-derogatory context.  Strike one.

Antiochian Archdiocese: Touchy. Supporters note, &quot;He&#039;s in &#039;good standing&#039; with his parish priest.&quot; Cops don&#039;t criticize cops... Ball one.

Vanderbilt University: &quot;That&#039;s where those liberal, lawless punks took over the facilities rather than support our president.&quot; No, that was Columbia University., 1968. &quot;Whatever.&quot; Strike two.

Huffington Post: &quot;Liberal rag&quot; for sure (but I&#039;d vote for Obama if get my own blog there). Ball two.

Homosexuality: Another &quot;at the plate call.&quot; &quot;Rail to gratify their spleens&quot; and you&#039;re in. Otherwise ambiguous, &quot;we know know where this is leading...&quot; St-i-i-r-i-i-ke! &quot;But ump, it was outside!&quot; Dude, you were out before you were in. 

You weren&#039;t perceived as attacking, you were seen as defenseless.

I don&#039;t have to tell you, Dr. Dunn, that some people have the uncanny ability to sense our vulnerability a mile away, frequently in 1,500 words or less. I have resigned more arguments on AOI than Boris Spassky to Bobby Fisher. Nevertheless, by the &quot;eternity&quot; of the internet, anyone who passes by will have my reasoning as &quot;counter-point&quot; and they decide as they will. Somehow I fantasize that AOI is a better place because of this. And so it goes...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once I stopped laughing &#8211; not at you, Dr. Dunn! &#8211; I thought, &#8220;Who&#8217;s hornet&#8217;s nest was stirred?&#8221; and as by training I am &#8220;psychodynamic&#8221; in approach, I likewise thought, &#8220;could this just be about Fr. Jacobse?&#8221;</p>
<p>My first post on AOI was to take great exception to the promotion of a psychiatrist&#8217;s opinion of homosexuality relying solely on the authority of her occupation. As always, I proffered a careful, reasoned, and &#8220;evidenced-based&#8221; comment. First feedback: &#8220;Your attempt to discredit Dr. So-and-so fails.&#8221; WHAT? I don&#8217;t even know the woman! &#8220;She&#8217;s an Orthodox Christian, and by saying she lied..&#8221; Wait, I didn&#8217;t say she lied! &#8220;We know where this is leading, the normalization of homosexuality in the Church.&#8221; But I&#8217;m talking about the integrity of science! Sound familiar? Suddenly, every reply I&#8217;m reading assumes the droning voice of Arlen Specter &#8220;examining&#8221; Anita Hill, or any prosecutor, exculpatory DNA evidence in hand, who continues to insist, &#8220;This was a good case and I am not convinced of their innocence.&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll put coin &#8211; that would be real money &#8211; that you have misinterpreted what went on here. My interpretation of the key elements:</p>
<p>Orthodox Christian: This can only be called as it comes over the plate because it is potentially &#8220;championable.&#8221; In your case, however, lacks &#8220;conservative&#8221; creds and uses the word &#8220;gay&#8221; in non-derogatory context.  Strike one.</p>
<p>Antiochian Archdiocese: Touchy. Supporters note, &#8220;He&#8217;s in &#8216;good standing&#8217; with his parish priest.&#8221; Cops don&#8217;t criticize cops&#8230; Ball one.</p>
<p>Vanderbilt University: &#8220;That&#8217;s where those liberal, lawless punks took over the facilities rather than support our president.&#8221; No, that was Columbia University., 1968. &#8220;Whatever.&#8221; Strike two.</p>
<p>Huffington Post: &#8220;Liberal rag&#8221; for sure (but I&#8217;d vote for Obama if get my own blog there). Ball two.</p>
<p>Homosexuality: Another &#8220;at the plate call.&#8221; &#8220;Rail to gratify their spleens&#8221; and you&#8217;re in. Otherwise ambiguous, &#8220;we know know where this is leading&#8230;&#8221; St-i-i-r-i-i-ke! &#8220;But ump, it was outside!&#8221; Dude, you were out before you were in. </p>
<p>You weren&#8217;t perceived as attacking, you were seen as defenseless.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have to tell you, Dr. Dunn, that some people have the uncanny ability to sense our vulnerability a mile away, frequently in 1,500 words or less. I have resigned more arguments on AOI than Boris Spassky to Bobby Fisher. Nevertheless, by the &#8220;eternity&#8221; of the internet, anyone who passes by will have my reasoning as &#8220;counter-point&#8221; and they decide as they will. Somehow I fantasize that AOI is a better place because of this. And so it goes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: davidjdunn</title>
		<link>http://www.davidjdunn.com/2012/06/19/goodbye-fr-jacobse/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>davidjdunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Laura.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Laura.</p>
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		<title>By: Macrina Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.davidjdunn.com/2012/06/19/goodbye-fr-jacobse/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>Macrina Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For some reason your post seems to end prematurely, unless it&#039;s just my computer...

I try not to click on links to the AOI blog (although I admit that I sometimes do so unwisely) and have so far managed to restrain myself from commenting there because what I see just arouses my own passions. I tend to just hope that people like this do not have a significant following because if they do it is really a nightmare situation. And given that people like Fr Jacobse are featured on things like Ancient Faith Radio perhaps they are seen as having credibility ... in which case I am just grateful that I am very far away. Or maybe it&#039;s just that I&#039;ll never understand Americans.

I say this not because I necessarily oppose everything they say (although the Tea Party at prayer stuff I find pretty sickening) but because of the vitriol with which they say it. And, like you, I don&#039;t want to become caught up into a spiral of negativity and hatred which seems to be the antithesis to Orthodoxy.

On the gay marriage issue (by which I mean the legalising of civil marriage rather than an ecclesial acceptance - lest anyone quote me saying things I&#039;m not!) I&#039;m somewhat ambivalent. Do you know &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2012/03/13/3452229.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; John Milbank&#039;s article&lt;/a&gt; on the subject? I think that he makes important points on the distinction between marriage and civil partnerships.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason your post seems to end prematurely, unless it&#8217;s just my computer&#8230;</p>
<p>I try not to click on links to the AOI blog (although I admit that I sometimes do so unwisely) and have so far managed to restrain myself from commenting there because what I see just arouses my own passions. I tend to just hope that people like this do not have a significant following because if they do it is really a nightmare situation. And given that people like Fr Jacobse are featured on things like Ancient Faith Radio perhaps they are seen as having credibility &#8230; in which case I am just grateful that I am very far away. Or maybe it&#8217;s just that I&#8217;ll never understand Americans.</p>
<p>I say this not because I necessarily oppose everything they say (although the Tea Party at prayer stuff I find pretty sickening) but because of the vitriol with which they say it. And, like you, I don&#8217;t want to become caught up into a spiral of negativity and hatred which seems to be the antithesis to Orthodoxy.</p>
<p>On the gay marriage issue (by which I mean the legalising of civil marriage rather than an ecclesial acceptance &#8211; lest anyone quote me saying things I&#8217;m not!) I&#8217;m somewhat ambivalent. Do you know <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2012/03/13/3452229.htm" rel="nofollow"> John Milbank&#8217;s article</a> on the subject? I think that he makes important points on the distinction between marriage and civil partnerships.</p>
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		<title>By: laura wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.davidjdunn.com/2012/06/19/goodbye-fr-jacobse/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>laura wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I realized I sometimes avoided dealing with a challenge to my thinking by willfully misunderstanding another person’s argument.&quot;
Ah! How many of us (myself included) would benefit from this realization. 

For what its worth, your views did not come across that way to the average listener.  I&#039;m still listening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I realized I sometimes avoided dealing with a challenge to my thinking by willfully misunderstanding another person’s argument.&#8221;<br />
Ah! How many of us (myself included) would benefit from this realization. </p>
<p>For what its worth, your views did not come across that way to the average listener.  I&#8217;m still listening.</p>
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